Parenthood surprised me in countless ways, but the biggest one was how angry my kids could make me. In this episode, Emily Hamblin shares her personal journey as a mom who unexpectedly faced struggles with anger and how it affected her and her family. She discusses the biological and mental aspects of emotional regulation, offering practical advice for managing anger and understanding its root causes.
From identifying personal triggers and maintaining a ‘body budget,’ to using self-compassion and tailored coping strategies, this conversation is packed with valuable insights and ways to take action. Tune in to learn how to navigate the challenges of parenthood with empathy, understanding, and realistic tools to become the parent you aspire to be.
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Monica Packer: Emily Hamblin, welcome to About Progress.
Emily Hamblin: Hello Monica, I am so excited to be here.
Monica Packer: excited to have you. And I think one of the biggest reasons why I so resonate with your work is because when I learn from you and when we’re talking and we’ve become friends online too, I don’t see someone who I can ever imagine angry. Like ever, I just can’t picture it. I can’t see you getting mad.
I can’t see you ever yelling at a kid, like anything like that. And yet you talk about your own struggles with anger as a mom and ways that really surprised you. And the reason why I love learning from you about this is because I often have felt the same way about myself. Like I’ve surprised myself with the hard emotions that come up.
With motherhood and anger has been the most surprising for me. So we’re going to lean into this whole topic for the woman here who are listening, but I wanted to start with your own experience. What has been your experience as a mom and. An angry mom at that.
Emily Hamblin: I feel so flattered that you think I could never be angry and my children and my husband would surely disagree with you on that one. And what’s interesting though, you say this, and it’s probably true, my roommates, my friends growing up, None of them would have described me as angry. There were plenty of other unpleasant words they might have used to describe me, but angry was, had never been one of those words. And when I became a parent, I was sure everything would be wonderful, of course. I’d always wanted children. We had years of infertility. And when this child came, I felt this immense love. And I had so much more anger than I ever thought I would have. I always said I would not grow up to yell at my kids. I would not grow up to be the mom that was yelling and negative.
And here I was, that’s what I was doing. And it was not only unpleasant for my children, it was unpleasant for me. I wasn’t enjoying motherhood the way I always wanted to. And so I realized something had to change. I dove into learning all about Emotions, emotional regulation, nervous systems, thoughts, all of the things that we’ll talk about today.
And it made such a difference for my family, for my children, that now it’s what I do to help other parents.
Monica Packer: So the impetus to my work was a couple moments of anger with my kids. Once that I, um, still look back on it and I feel so sad about, and I’m curious, it was there an impetus to, for you, was there like a singular moment or was it
just a general, like, Oh, I, Don’t want to be like this anymore.
Emily Hamblin: absolutely. So, there was one moment I can remember very clearly years ago. We were in this rental house with cold white linoleum floor, and my four year old son was playing with a toy car back and forth, just watching the wheels turn on the car, and I was trying to get him ready to go out the door for school.
His preschool ride was coming, and he would not put his shoes on. I tried. Please put your shoes on. I need you to put your shoes on. Hello. Put your shoes on. I tried all of the things and he just wasn’t doing it. He continued to play with his toy car and suddenly I found myself screaming at him just like full on rage screaming at this 4-year-old for playing with a car instead of getting his shoes on, and he looked at me with fear in his eyes. He didn’t even put his shoes on. He just started to cry
Monica Packer: Yeah.
Emily Hamblin: right then. His ride. Drove up, of course, right on time. I opened the door, just kind of like shuffled him out, handed the mom his shoes, said, Please put them on him, closed the door, went to my bed, laid face down, and cried. To see my own child terrified of his mother. This child who I love dearly, who I would do anything for, was terrified of me. Over a toy car and some shoes. That wasn’t the parent that I wanted to be and I realized something had to change.
Monica Packer: I know it’s hard to relive those moments where the worst side of ourselves is on full display and how disparaging that can feel.
And I know a lot of women who are arriving to this conversation have had so many moments similar to that, whatever the spectrum is of that, you know, and.
I, I wanted to know a little bit more about why do moms feel so angry? You know, if, if we do feel that all encompassing love as a mom, we would literally give our lives for our kids. What is it about this role in particular can, uh, lead to these really tough emotions like anger? And
Emily Hamblin: It’s not a simple answer either. And understanding all of the different facets is one of the reasons that I’ve learned to better regulate my emotions. When we talk about what causes emotions, we hear a lot of different ideas out there. We hear a lot of people saying, Your thoughts cause your emotion.
You think a thought, that gives you a feeling, and so on. And that’s what causes your emotion. Other people say, no, it’s your nervous system. It’s if you’re regulated or dysregulated. That’s going to determine your emotion for you. And we’re left thinking, so what is it? Is it my brain or is it my body that’s causing the emotions? The answer is both. And so if we approach it from a brain body approach, I got that term from Mona Delahook, one of my very favorite parenting experts. If we approach it from this brain body approach, where we have thoughts that are unhelpful, that are leading us to feel anger, and our body is also experiencing certain things. That are communicating danger to our brain and our brain takes that communication and turns on anger to try to protect us this is why that same exact scenario with my child if you had asked me then why did you scream at your kid? I would have told you it’s because he wouldn’t put his shoes on but If we were really to dig under the surface of that one scenario, it is probably because I was up three times with the baby the night before, because I hadn’t had breakfast yet, because when I was a child. If I hadn’t listened to my parents, they would have screamed at me. Because when I was a child, I was often not listened to and ignored, and I didn’t want that to continue as an adult. Because society tells me stories about how good parents, have kids who listen to them. And my kid’s not listening. He’s not a good kid. I’m not a good parent. This is wrong. Emergency status turned on. Right, so we have this really wide range of things, not to mention sensory processing has been huge. Maybe I was under stimulated or over stimulated, which we can get into a little bit more. But you can see why one thing doesn’t cause our anger. It’s many, many, many things. And if we think of an iceberg, we see this little tip of an iceberg poking out of the water. That’s our anger. There’s this huge iceberg underneath, and there’s usually many, many reasons for us. To show up angry, and especially to take it out in a way that we wish we hadn’t on somebody that we love so dearly. So I guess we could sum it up. The short answer, we get angry because our smoke alarm goes off. But what’s making the smoke alarm go off is usually a lot of different things.
Monica Packer: I do appreciate that you would differentiate it being both biological and mental, because I think so many of us go right to self blame and making it more about a character flaw, a lack of integrity or being a bad parent, uh, when really, There are two big parts to this and they have to be explored in ways that can hurt a little to dig out to excavate, but are necessary to better meet them.
Emily Hamblin: So glad you brought up self blame because carrying around mom guilt is actually a huge reason that we tend to lose emotional control. And it’s kind of ironic because when we lose emotional control, we want to feel guilty and then that guilt turns into shame and we carry it around. But what happens is that takes a toll on our body budget. It literally dysregulates our nervous system to feel intense shame and to carry it around and to constantly tell ourselves how horrible we are, what a bad mom we are, that we did a horrible job with our child, that we don’t know how to parent. When we’re thinking those things and carrying them around and we’re extremely negative with ourselves, it increases the likelihood that we’re going to lose emotional control
Monica Packer: Mm hmm. So it’s like a one, two punch, right?
Emily Hamblin: Yeah,
Monica Packer: You’ve said the word dysregulation a lot and regulation. I was actually just talking about this with the client last night.
And, uh, while it’s a lot more prevalent now than it was, uh, four years ago, when I first learned about it with a child that we were working with, um, A lot of people still don’t really know it. So can you give us just like a quick, like what’s regulation, dysregulation?
Emily Hamblin: That is a great question, also. I think everybody knows what a nervous system is. Your nervous system is sending signals up to your brain, telling you if things are safe. Yes. or not safe. When we’re what we call dysregulated, our nervous system is experiencing a high amount of stress and communicating to our brain that we’re not safe. When we’re regulated, our nervous system or our body is communicating to our brain that things are safe. So that’s the simple way to put it. Now, I will also say a lot of times when we say dysregulated, what we mean is We’ve lost emotional control. And what I say with emotional regulation isn’t actually emotional regulation. It’s being able to stay in control even when you’re dysregulated.
Monica Packer: Got it.
Emily Hamblin: So it’s finding healthy ways to manage dysregulation. Healthy ways to stay in control and to handle that anger.
Monica Packer: Now you talked about sensory processing. You also mentioned body budget. Can we dig into the biological side just a little bit more? Because. I mean, I could tell you, I was already listening to podcasts around the time where I was feeling angry with my kids on better managing my thoughts to change my reality.
And while that is extremely helpful and necessary and does need to happen, just like you talk about, Oh, good parenting to me means your kids listen. So like, that’s a thought that’s creating this anger for sure. I think it is very easy to overlook the biological component. And I think that can help women kind of get some light bulb moments here about what.
Is another factor about how they can explode into that fight or flight response of anger, um, in addition to the thoughts that they can work on. So tell us more about those things you brought up with the biological side.
Emily Hamblin: absolutely. So whenever we’re speaking about losing our emotional control, it’s because our brain has gone into fight, fight, or freeze. We have an upstairs brain, which is our logical brain. It’s located here, our prefrontal cortex. I feel like a lot of people know this now. This is where we have rational thought. This is where our thinking occurs. We also have this downstairs brain over here. It’s often called the amygdala, um, there’s other parts to it.
But it’s this survival brain where there’s very minimal thinking. It’s just reactions. And if our survival brain is being told things from our nervous system or our body, like, you’re hungry, you’re thirsty, It’s really loud in here. You haven’t moved much today. Where’s the sunshine? You haven’t spoken to friends lately. And it’s communicating all of these unmet needs to our survival brain. It kind of puts us on edge. It makes our smoke detector a lot more sensitive. And so this is why I love, Monica, the work that you do in helping women establish habits that take care of themselves. That’s been revolutionary for me, and I love that you help so many women with it, because as we are better able to make sure that we’re eating nutritious food, that we’re staying hydrated, and we’re figuring out what our needs are, and that self care goes so much more than just having a bubble bath. So we figure out what those needs are, and we’re able to meet our physical needs. It becomes a lot easier to regulate our emotions. And there are times when our needs change. Before we were recording, I was telling you about how I recently had a back injury. My emotional regulation for the last month has been a lot more difficult for me. I’ve had a lot more physical pain, and so it’s been communicating to my downstairs brain, Hey, danger! It’s like I’m constantly being told danger, and so whenever my children, one of my kids takes a toy from the other and hits them on the head with a book, it’s so much more likely that I’m going to blow up, because I’m already being told that there’s some danger going on. And that’s, of course, not an excuse to blow up. It’s not to say that, oh, this isn’t worth it, nothing’s going to help because I’m in pain. It’s just helping me be aware, so I can tell my body and my brain, hey, we’re safe. Yes, I’m in pain, and we’re safe right now, and then I do all that I can in the areas that I can control to keep my body budget nice and high. Sensory has been huge. We have eight senses, the five we learned in school, plus three hidden senses, vestibular, or sense of movement, proprioception, or sense of pressure, and interoception, or our internal senses. Learning about those has been huge. All of us have different sensory preferences for all of those eight senses. Some of us need more input. I really enjoy a lot of proprioceptive and vestibular input, which is why I love running and I love dancing. I love tight hugs. I also love to take off my shoes and put my feet in cool grass or in warm sand. I love all of the input for that, but for my sense of hearing, my auditory
sense. I get overstimulated very quickly, and so if it’s, if it’s a chaotic noise. If it’s loud music, I’m fine. If I’m at a loud concert, I’m fine. If my kids are fighting, I can feel myself getting dysregulated. And I feel it with my interoceptive sense, or my internal sensations. I feel warning signs before I lose it. And so learning about that, coming in better being in tune with my body. And I think that has really, really helped with being able to understand what’s going on and what my body needs. And it tells us a lot. It tells us a lot about our emotions. As we come to learn about our unique bodies, our unique sensory preferences, our unique needs, then we can meet those needs better. Keep our body budgets as high as we can, so that when things happen that deplete our body budget, hopefully it’s not empty and we still have some to give. Yes.
Monica Packer: So if I’m hearing this right, a body budget is almost a form of energy. It’s a form of being able to feel like yourself, show up as yourself, and it gets depleted with different. different sensory things going on around you, whether, you need more sensory input to have that body, body budget be high, or you need less of it in order for it to remain high.
But that sensory input is withdrawing it just like money from a bank, right? Like it’s withdrawing those little bits of yourself or your energy. That’s how I’m hearing this. Is there another way that we can look at body budget
Emily Hamblin: Yes, and it doesn’t have to just be sensory. It can be thoughts.
thoughts?
can add to your body project and they can detract from it. It’s also been called a window of tolerance. There are certain things that will make our window of tolerance, or how much we can handle before we go into that survival brain. , there’s certain things that make that window of tolerance bigger, and certain things that will make the window of tolerance smaller. smaller. And this is how much dysregulation can my nervous system handle before I go into survival mode. And when we hit survival mode, that’s usually when we’re yelling, screaming, or maybe we’re not, we’re, we’re holding it together on the outside, but inside we’re seething and we’re feeling bitter and we’re feeling
resentful.
Monica Packer: I’ve seen really angry people withdraw,
get very quiet, yeah, leaving, but you know, people feel it. That’s the magic of being human is we know, we know this as kids. We know this as adults. We know when people are angry. So I imagine there are some practical ways that women can deal with anger a little bit better, and I’m sure many things are preemptive, and that’s where a lot of my work with self care and habits comes in, and also in the moment, ways that they can work on being able to better manage this, what are some of the tips that you have for them that can help them starting today?
Because obviously there’s, yeah. There’s a lot here, there’s a lot of deep work that can happen and including with like a counselor or a coach to really dig deep to the thought parts as well, I think, but let’s, let’s help them start today. What can they do?
Emily Hamblin: Start always with self compassion. This is
hard. This is very hard to understand where our anger is coming from. That’s hard. It’s really hard when we love our children so much and we’re feeling so much anger towards them. That’s a hard thing to handle. We’re not choosing it consciously. It’s not our fault. It is something that we can handle. It’s something that we can work on and it’s something that we can make progress towards learning and growing. So start always with self compassion. Start with trying to understand what your triggers are, and then dig deep. Okay, I was triggered when my kid went and ate candy before dinner.
I felt angry. Okay, why? You can say, what thought was I thinking? What was going on in my body? What was going on for me for the previous 24, 48 hours? Is there something from childhood that would have gone on in a similar situation? Look at the big picture and the short term picture. What all went into feeling so angry at that one moment? And, you know, , everybody wants the in the moment. How can I not be angry in that moment? But most of it actually happens out of the moment. Most of us have trends. Most of us have certain If we look at the times that we feel intense anger, especially the times when we’re dysregulated, in that survival brain, we’re feeling fight, light, freeze, or fawn, there’s usually, almost always, a pattern, if we can step back and realize it. And so, looking for the times when we tend to become angry. We can find common themes, and we can work on those common themes. Specific examples work great. Now when we’re out of that moment, there’s a lot we can do to understand those triggers, of course. Keeping that body budget high, the self care that you teach, and I love that you do teach, is super important. In that moment, we have two options. We can decide to use our brain or our body. In other words, we can try to calm down our nervous system. Finding really quick tools to calm my nervous system has been my favorite. We know of box breathing where you inhale for I, I, I just recommend everybody tries for a count that they like. Everyone’s going to tell you a different count. Inhale for 4 counts, 8 counts, whatever feels good to you. Hold your breath for 4 to 8 counts. Breathe out for 4, 8, or 12 counts. For me, I like 8, 8, and 12. Other people might like it to be a bit shorter. That really helps me. Um, naming your emotion is huge. I know it sounds so simple, but the science behind it is fascinating.
They were showing children flash cards of different, um, of faces expressing different emotions, such as happiness, um, sadness, anger, etc. And whenever they would show an angry card to children, they had their Brain is hooked up to some sort of device to measure what was going on. When they would flash anger to them, the child’s brain would light up in the anger region. Just seeing a card of someone being angry. If the child said the word anger, or angry, or mad, it deactivated the anger center in their brain. Just being able to name that emotion. Deactivated
Monica Packer: Wow.
Emily Hamblin: and it is fascinating, and it seems so
Monica Packer: Mm hmm.
Emily Hamblin: but it really does help. And whenever we are experiencing an intense emotion, we are in the right side of our brain. The right side of our brain is where we experience emotion. It’s the part of our brain that processes emotion. The left side of the brain is kind of unused at that point in
Monica Packer: Mm hmm. The thinking
Emily Hamblin: Because we’re,
Monica Packer: More of the,
is that like a
Emily Hamblin: side is the logical. It’s logical. And like, lists and numbers and words and language, it’s the logical side. So we’re over here feeling really angry in our right side, and our left side’s kind of just not activated much. But when we say what we’re feeling, it activates that left side. And that interoception for me has been huge. I’m feeling angry. I’m feeling it in my chest. It feels bright red. It feels hot. It feels heavy. It feels like it’s squeezing. Now I’ve brought in the left side of my brain, and I’m using a whole brain in the same exact situation. So we can calm our body. We can just name it. We can express what’s going on in our body. And we can have some thoughts that might be helpful in that situation. Um, it’s pretty hard to think of them in the moment.
And so that’s where a lot of that pre work could be
Monica Packer: Mm hmm.
Emily Hamblin: If I tend to become angry when my children are running late for school, which happened about two weeks ago, we were running late, and My three year old decided now was the time to play hide and seek and ran up the stairs and bolted into a room and said, Mom, come find me! And I have an injured back and the stairs
Monica Packer: Oh, yeah.
Emily Hamblin: And so I became yelling mom at that point in time. I just lost it. Then I realized it in the car. Repaired with my child, repaired with myself. Things were fine afterwards. And I said to myself, okay, if this happens again tomorrow So tomorrow, if she were to run upstairs when we’re trying to get out the door and we’re running late for school, I can do all of the other things I mentioned, and I can say things to myself like, This isn’t an emergency. It’s going to be okay. Oh, looks like we’re going to be a little bit later. We’ll survive. So those are thoughts that would help me in that moment. But the thoughts aren’t going to help if my body is so flared up that my thinking brain is
offline. So the first thing I do is get my thinking brain back online, and then the thoughts can be helpful.
Monica Packer: And I think that’s why so many women who have struggled with being angry as a parent feel stuck because they know the thoughts that can change it too, but in the moment they can’t, they can’t access it. They can’t access the thoughts, they can’t access their willpower. to do so. Um, and that’s where this body side of things I think is going to really change the way they can better move through this in ways that are reflective of who they really are and who they want to be as moms.
Earlier, you mentioned healthier ways to handle dysregulation.
And you gave us so many practical tools here. I do want to emphasize for people, this will take time. And that’s where
your, your first tip of self compassion is so vital to have that self compassion as you’re identifying your personal triggers, the patterns that are in your life, also being able to better identify what it feels like in your body, what thoughts are happening.
And then to work on them gradually, bit by bit, it will take time, but it doesn’t mean you’re broken. It means you’re, you’re human. And this is, this is not just a you problem. I see
this everywhere. Almost all the time. I feel like everything comes back to regulation.
Emily Hamblin: I am so glad that you bring that up. And I also want to say, we often think of, like, regulation and dysregulation as an off and on, and sometimes it is. Sometimes there are things where I’m instantly going from 0 to 100 with my own anger. Other times it’s more like a gentle
glide. And so when we can Start to feel and start to explore with ourselves and learn where the glide is becoming too much. That’s when we can step in and take action. My kid that wouldn’t put their shoes on. Had I been more in tune with myself back then, I would have noticed I’m starting to get dysregulated. Maybe the third time I asked them to put on their shoes. And then I would have changed what I was doing, because what I was doing was not leading to regulation. And this is where having a parenting toolbox that’s customized to you is really helpful. Most people want the tool to get their kids to put the shoes on so that they won’t become dysregulated. But first, we work on our emotional regulation, and then we find tools that work. So, in that moment, I might play with the kid.
I might say, uh oh, if you don’t put your shoes on, the tickle monster will get you. And then I might chase my kid around the house with their shoes and pretend to tickle them. Or, I might just quietly go over while they’re playing with their truck and put their shoes on for them. Because, yes, my kid needs to learn to put their own shoes on, of course. And, today might not be the day for that. Today might be the day that I put their shoes on so that I don’t scream at them, because to me that’s more important.
I’m sorry. You’ve been, you’ve been facing some back problems and I’m sure that’s been really disruptive and, you know, the story even about, about your daughter recently, you know, it’s nice to see that sometimes it, it, It comes and goes, our ability to show up and to use these tools.
Monica Packer: And sometimes our toolbox has to change because of what’s going on in our environment. So can you just give us a couple examples of what you’ve been able to access during this time of your, you know, what’s your typical way to, to, um, what’s in your typical toolbox and what’s new for you right now as you’re working through this.
Emily Hamblin: Thank you for asking. So, one huge part of my typical toolbox to regulate my emotions, or to stay in control whenever I am dysregulated, is exercise. Lifting weights, dancing, running, jumping, climbing. I love intense exercise. That was taken away. I couldn’t walk around the
block for two weeks without
pain. It was suddenly gone. Um, I love to play with my kids. I love to rough, rough house with them a little bit, tie them up like a burrito in a blanket, play tug of war. That was suddenly gone. So those are really powerful things, again, understanding my own needs. Those were powerful things for me, to help keep my nervous system nice and healthy, to be able to go from a dysregulated to a regulated state without losing control. And I had to re figure this out. And I had to go back to the drawing
board of, okay, What needs do I have now? I do have a physical need for exercise. I can’t really meet it. I tried to like do some arm workouts that weren’t using my back and put on my running music in the car and then it just, honestly, I burst into tears because I just wanted to go running so
bad. So that didn’t work. Um, a lot of it was feeling, feeling the grief that I had. It’s not permanent. It was just a few weeks, but feeling that grief of having my life suddenly changed because of a very simple back injury. That had very intense consequences. You know, we can break self care into a lot of different areas.
We have social self care. We have mental self care, emotional self care, physical self care, spiritual self care. So I revisited a lot of the areas and I, I kind of asked myself, okay, what can I do? I know what I can’t do. That’s pretty obvious. Let’s fill it with things that now I can do. One thing was I really amped up my nutrition.
That was actually my self care. I increased a lot of my protein. I increased my veggies. I used a lot of healthy fats. I’m going on that a little bit too much, but it’s just to say, I looked at the drawing board of what do I need. I increased my time reading scriptures and praying. I increased my social time as much as I could. Which was honestly just a few minutes a day. I did what I could to increase that. And of course mental was huge. When I’m laying on the couch with a heating pad and I can’t work and I can’t play with my kids and I can’t clean my house. I do have my thoughts, and so I could work on my thoughts during that time. And that was a huge help, too.
Monica Packer: I’m sure it wasn’t just this upward, like figured it out, like just decided to have figured it out. But I like that you’re showing you can, you can figure this out over time. And I wanted to bring that up, especially for women who are struggling with physical health, whether it’s a newly diagnosed chronic illness, or it’s something like a back injury, or it’s even something as seasonal as depression, you know, during winter or whatever it may be that.
A toolbox can can shift to match your season
and no matter what, as you’re, as you’re trying, then you’re doing, especially when this where, where this concerns, um, this has been phenomenal. Emily, I want to know where we can send people who would love to learn more from you. So where should they go?
Emily Hamblin: I would love for them to come visit my website, emily hamlin. com. That little hyphen is really important there. So, emily hamlin. com. And there they can find a link to my free gift. I have some conversation cards for kids if they’re struggling with conflict management. Um, just some conversation starters to chat with your kids about that.
They can find the link to my podcast, Enlightening Motherhood, and yeah, all the things, all the, all the programs that I offer.
Monica Packer: Okay, we will link to those things. And what is one thing women can do to take action on what they learned today?
Emily Hamblin: I’m going to combine two here. I’m so naughty. On a basis of self compassion, try to understand your own personal anger triggers. And meet the needs that you need to meet so that those triggers do not communicate an emergency to your brain.
Monica Packer: And I think, you know, I’m just going to give a quick example here. Like I always know one of the things that tends to send me off the handle is my kids being mean to each other.
Oh, that’s always a trigger.
Emily Hamblin: It’s almost instant for me
still.
Monica Packer: And you know, and that’s also due to the thoughts, you know, one of my kids was bullied in school and was a significant trauma that took years to work on.
So when I see behavior like that in our home, it really does make me go into that mama bear mode, like against my own kids because of that, you know? So paying attention to that has helped me better show up to it. When it happens, because it’s not a matter of if and when, because they are kids and they will be mean to each other at some point.
So knowing that helps me just identify it when it’s happening. Well, this is the normal trigger, so what am I going to do this time? And to have then a go to way of maybe calming my body or my brain down to be able to meet it.
Emily Hamblin: Yes.
And it makes sense. Just, it makes sense that you would be triggered by that. It makes sense that you would feel angry, right? That’s that self compassion
piece. It’s also hard. And so give it to yourself that it’s not easy to watch your kids be mean to each other, and it’s not easy to lose emotional control when it happens.
It’s a really hard situation. Give yourself all of the compassion you can, and then help yourself. learn what you need to to handle it.
Monica Packer: Okay. Well, that’s beautiful. Well, we’ll start with that, with compassion, identify some of the triggers that are most common for you. I think that’s fantastic. Emily, this has been a wonderful conversation. Thank you so much for being here today.
Emily Hamblin: Thank you so much. I’m a huge fan of yours, as you know, and I love the work you’re doing. It’s just an honor to be here.
Monica Packer: All the thoughts, mutual feelings are mutual, my friend.
Um, so before I press stop, I’m actually going to rerecord the intro because as you were saying your name at the end, I’m like, no, I said it wrong because you, you have a little B in there.
Emily Hamblin: Oh, I thought you said it with a
V. This is where digital.
Monica Packer: like no B.
Emily Hamblin: Okay.
I thought the V was
Monica Packer: that right. Okay.
Emily Hamblin: Okay.
Monica Packer: Emily Hamblin, welcome to About Progress, isn’t that the joy of editing, right.
So Emily, I’m going to actually ask you a question now that is, it’s like a, I want a brief answer, but I’m going to bloop this back in earlier. Cause I meant to ask this earlier. Okay. Is that okay? And then we’ll come back to where we just were.
